“Find someone to travel through life with after I’m gone.” That was my husband’s advice before he died 17 years ago. “You have so much love to give. Don’t stay alone forever.” Then he added a most important recommendation, “Just be careful the new guy isn’t after your money!”
After Tom’s death, I wasn’t interested in remarriage. At age 60, I had a good life. That included a fulfilling profession as a certified financial planner, a loving extended family, strong friendships with women, and ties to my spiritual community.
But after working my way through initial heavy grief, I decided to try online dating as an interesting way to meet more people. My goal was not marriage. Instead, I focused on finding someone to go bicycling with, enjoy a musical concert, talk about a movie we saw, eat dinner in a quaint bistro, see a special art museum exhibit, walk on the beach, or take my rowboat out for a leisurely sunset cruise around the lake behind my house.
I was a complete dating rookie back then. The last time I went on a date was decades ago. Online dating didn’t exist in those dinosaur days. The new apps I tried expanded the potential of meeting more fellows. However, most men I met online didn’t stay on my radar screen for long.
Some examples include (all names are fictional):
Many fellows also misrepresented their money matters. For example:
Using online research tools, I uncovered truths about several of those men who considered me to be a purse.
Bye-bye to all these dubious daters, several of whom proposed marriage shortly after we met. No thanks. I’m not interested.
Indeed, after a couple of years of false starts and rough stops, trying a half-dozen dating apps, I decided not to renew them. It was a waste of time. But right before canceling that last dating app, one final possible match came through. “What the heck,” I thought. I logged in and clicked the response key. That link led to my new husband, Charlie, whom I wed seven years down the road. That last one was the best one, indeed.
In a study published by the Journal of Financial Service Professionals, mature women who had experienced widowhood and later remarried or re-partnered long-term advised other widows about money and legal issues they had experienced.
Many concurred that financial disagreements derailed past love affairs. Most agreed that it’s essential to talk about money matters before committing to being a couple so as not to be blindsided in the future. That was the case with one woman who said, “I didn’t bring up the money stuff because I thought it would hurt our relationship before we married. Boy, was I wrong.” Another woman shared, “He pursued me for three years before I finally said ‘yes’. Then he cleaned me out financially in three months.”
My partner, Charlie, and I discussed answers to 10 money questions more than a dozen years ago as we began our long-term relationship as a committed couple. We reaffirmed our actions several years later when we exchanged marriage vows. That’s when we revisited our money talks to reaffirm our plans for moving forward together. Below are those questions in boldface type, with our responses in italics:
1. How will we make decisions about money, such as spending, saving, handling debt, and budgeting?
We communicate well about everything, including money matters. It’s known that money is the biggest area couples fight about – more than sex, children, and the division of household tasks. Charlie and I avoid squabbling by talking about finances frequently.
2. Who pays for what? Will we use a joint credit card or checking account for shared expenses?
Charlie and I applied for a new joint credit card for purchases we use and enjoy together. That includes home-related expenses, car repairs and gasoline, entertainment, groceries, and more. Likewise, we added a joint checking account. At the same time, we each maintained our separate checking accounts and individual credit cards.
The joint credit card monthly bill is paid in full automatically from our joint checking account. We each made deposits into that joint checking account from our personal money. We agreed that it’s fair for Charlie to add more to our joint checking account than I contribute because he receives more income than I do. For example, when we put $5,000 into our checking account, $3,000 is from Charlie and $2,000 is from me.
Note that we each pay for personal items such as clothing, gifts, self-care, and other individual expenses, from our separate accounts.
3. Will we live together full-time or keep separate homes?
Since Charlie and I enjoy each other’s company, we travel together to and from our main home and vacation house, spending about six months at each location.
4. If we live together full-time, whose place will we choose? Or should we move into a different home?
We bought a Florida condo together when I sold the house I owned before with my late husband. Charlie has owned his New York home for the past four decades. We rebuilt that house nearly a decade ago, so it’s like a new residence.
5. What are our plans for retirement? If already retired, what retirement lifestyle does each of us desire?
Charlie retired at age 61 before we met. Conversely, I ran a successful financial planning business and wasn’t ready to retire then. Charlie continued to enjoy his various hobbies and activities while I worked with my clients. Now partly retired, I’m teaching as Adjunct Faculty at The American College of Financial Services, plus writing and speaking. It’s a comfortable balance of together and other independent activities that works well for us.
6. Will we merge our investments or hold them separately?
We’ve always kept our investments separate except for the checking account and credit card we hold jointly.
7. How will we handle it if one of us earns substantially less than the other or has fewer financial assets?
Adding the total value of what I own and comparing this with Charlie’s total value of what he owns, our numbers are quite similar. We are both financially independent, which is a great foundation for our relationship. I’m not dependent on my husband, and vice versa. Charlie’s income is more than mine, and we’ve equitably adjusted for that, as I mentioned previously.
8. What about health issues and potential costs down the road? How will we navigate those?
Both Charlie and I are in excellent health – body, mind, and spirit. Indeed, I expect us to live into our 90s or beyond. I own long-term care insurance, purchased more than 20 years ago. We both have great supplemental health insurance in addition to Medicare. We intend to relocate to a life plan retirement community in our early 80s, which offers comprehensive continuing care services in the event that we require these levels of assistance in the future.
9. What financial responsibilities are we willing to take on for our children or aging parents?
Our parents are long gone. We’ve both helped our adult children over the years when they’ve needed a bit of a boost. Indeed, we like giving them “warm hand monetary gifts” while we are alive, rather than passing everything to them as an inheritance when we’re dead.
10. How do each of us feel about a prenuptial agreement?
As a financial advisor, I often suggested that widowed clients think about getting a prenuptial agreement, especially before remarrying soon. However, Charlie and I opted not to establish a prenuptial agreement after consulting with our elder law attorney, taking into consideration our several trusts that were already in place and the titling of our assets.
Being open and honest with your partner about money matters can strengthen your bond as a couple. Before you bring up these 10 topics, be aware of how your partner handles money. Start by saying something like, “Recently, I’ve been considering our financial future. As we think about that time together ahead, I’d like us to talk about this.
Instead of posing all 10 questions at once, choose a moment when you’re at ease. Maybe sitting in a quiet place with your favorite beverage after Sunday supper. Try to speak calmly, and don’t go on for more than 30 minutes during your first money talk. Then try another money question the next week.
You and your partner will discover what is and isn’t negotiable. If cooperation isn’t possible in some circumstances, what about trying a different strategy that you both find comfortable? There is no one-size-fits-all ideal approach to managing a couple’s finances. If you hit a serious roadblock, that red flag tells you something. You may want to consider talking with a professional financial therapist.
Further read, WIDOWS ROCK! THRIVING IN STAGE 3 OF WIDOWHOOD.
What have been your money stories as a single woman moving toward a committed relationship that may include marriage? If you’ve already done this, how did you and your new partner handle these or other money questions?
Wonderful and insightful article. Thank you.
Glad you liked my story.
Enjoyed reading about your failed dating attempts! Good job you had your witts about you.
Yes, I didn’t make any big mistakes. Unfortunately, our research proved that unscrupulous fellows take advantage of many mature widows.
Very funny deskription of your dating experience. I can so much relate to your story.
17 years ago I had tried a lot of dates and was going to cancel and then my soul mate came through. And this was a miracle. We are married and very happy together.
Just to remember. If you do nothing. Nothing happens. Action may result in something.
Thoughts from Denmark
Thanks. I like to weave humor into my stories when appropriate. Glad to know you found your soul mate.
What happens if you try to have the financial talk and your partner says they don’t have any savings?
Run fast!
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run as fast as you can like the devil is chasing you & gaining on you !
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This is a red flag for sure . . . especially when accompanied by reasons that don’t make sense.
I am glad it worked for you. But when you are a widow in your late 70’s and early 80’s, Men seem to want younger, and then you get them in their early 60’s. or 90’s. Yes, the first thing they ask is do you do ? That seems to be the only thing on most of their minds. I have talked to many, just very glad it worked for you.
When off-putting questions are raised, that’s a reason for no second date.